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Tuesday, February 14, 2012

Basketball: Looking Ahead to Region II - Trying to Explain How Things Works - Might Work!

By Dan Sousa, VivaLoudoun Editor
with special analysis by Jeremy "Hoops" Huber

(Feb. 14, 2012) - My wife said please don't get her anything special for Valentine's Day so I'll put that effort I would have spent shopping into (trying to ..) explaining how the Region II Division 3 and Division 4 girls and boys basketball tournaments will be seeded.

Before proceeding, you might want to have following handy: calculator, pocket protector, Thermos of coffee, graduate degree from M.I.T., Magic 8 Ball, butcher paper, box of 64 Crayons, graphing paper and the DVD of Good Will Hunting ...

For starters, like football ... basketball awards separate regional and state championships based upon division (3 and 4) for AA. Same for A but not for AAA (please do not ask about the logic of AAA not doing it too ...).

For region II the 9-team Dulles District is pretty much all Division 4 with seven of the nine schools D4 except for 2nd-year schools Woodgrove and Tuscarora. Since there are only 12 teams in D4 -- a majority of the region IS Loudoun: Briar Woods, Dominion, Heritage, Loudoun County, Loudoun Valley, Park View, Potomac Falls.

The other three districts are the Jefferson (by Charlottesville) and Evergreen and Northwestern (which are down Fauquier way and out in the Winchester area). The Jefferson has only six schools (Fluvanna, Monticello, Western Albemarle, Charlottesville, Louisa and Powhatan) and the Evergreen and Northwestern combined only have 10 schools with each five - Evergreen (Liberty, Fauquier, Warren County, Brentsville, Kettle Run) and Northwestern (Handley, Sherando, Millbrook, Skyline, James Wood).

Divisional Splits:
D4: 7 Dulles schools from above plus Sherando, Louisa, Powhatan, James Wood, Millbrook
D3: 2 Dulles schools from above plus rest of region above

How they seed the postseason region tournament:
Basketball:
-Division 3, 4 – 8 teams qualify per Division
-Division 3, 4 – No byes

The following criteria will be used to rank the divisional teams for the purpose of qualifying for and seeding the Region II Tournament:
Seed Criteria District designed
#1 #1 seeds from All Districts
#2 #2 seeds from All Districts
#3 #3 seeds from Large Districts
#4 #3 seeds from Medium Districts
#5 #4 seeds from Large Districts
#6 #3 seeds from Small Districts
#7 #4 seeds from Medium Districts
#8 #5 seeds from Large Districts
#9 #5 seeds from Medium Districts
#10 #4 seeds from Small Districts
#11 #6 seeds from Large Districts
#12 #7 seeds from Large Districts
#13 #6 seeds from Medium Districts
#14 #8 seeds from Large Districts
#15 #7 seeds from Medium Districts
#16 #5 seeds from Small Districts

Teams that qualify on the same seed criteria line will be seeded according to the following tiebreaking criteria:
Tiebreaking Seed Criteria
#1 Head to Head results
#2 Regular season winning % in District games only
#3 Winning % versus common opponents
#4 Overall winning %
#5 Total wins

With me so far? A key thus far is the Jefferson a year ago was in the medium district category of 7-8 schools (9 or more is larger) but this year falls into the small district category of 6 schools or less.

Local sports fanatic Jeremy Huber -- what else are we going to call a guy who spent time putting this together -- researched the hoops picture around the region last week and came up with this -- keep in mind it is hard to track down some of the records out of Loudoun because not everybody has a VivaLoudoun :) (yes we just tooted our own horn ... assuming anybody is polite enough now days to actually toot their horn instead of blasting it ...)

Boys
Dulles
Loudoun Val. 14-2
Briar Woods 13-3
Pot Falls 11-5
Loudoun Co. 9-7
Woodgrove 8-8
Heritage 8-8
Park View 7-9
Tuscarora 1-15
Dominion 1-15

Evergreen
Liberty 7-1
Fauquier 7-1
Warren Co. 3-5
Brentsville 1-6
Kettle Run 1-6

Jefferson
Fluvanna 9-1
Monticello 7-2 (melee)
#3 W. Albemarle 6-3
Charlottesville 3-6 (melee)
Louisa 2-8
Powhatan 1-9

Northwestern
Handley 6-2
Sherando 5-3 (S-Mill)
Milbrook 5-3
Skyline 2-6
James Wood 2-6

Girls
Dulles
Woodgrove 15-1
Loudoun Co. 15-1
Heritage 10-6
Tuscarora 9-7
Dominion 8-8
Briar Woods 7-9
Pot Falls 5-11
Park View 3-13
Loudoun Val 0-16

Evergreen
Liberty 8-0
Warren Co. 6-2 (?)
Brentsville 2-6
Kettle Run 2-6

Jefferson
Powhatan 9-1
Monticello 8-2
W. Albemarle 4-4
Charlottesville 3-6
Louisa 3-7
Fluvanna 1-8

Northwestern
Milbrook 8-0
Sherando 6-2
Handley 4-4
Skyline 1-7
James Wood 1-7

While a lot has to play out in the playoffs ... heading into the district tournaments ... Jeremy was able to pull these from his special basketball playoff tea leaves and the assumption was no upsets of lower seeds so Woodgrove boys already threw that off for one! (all UNOFFICIAL and please no wagering on this ...)

Playoffs - POSSIBLE Match-ups for Region II
Division 4 - Boys
#1 Loudoun Valley - #8 Park View
#2 Briar Woods - #7 Heritage
#3 Sherando - #6 Millbrook
#4 Potomac Falls - #5 Loudoun County

Division 3 – Boys
#1 Fluvanna – #8 Woodgrove
#2 Liberty - #7 Warren Co.
#3 Handley - #6 W. Albemarle
#4 Fauquier - #5 Monticello

Division 4 – Girls
#1 Millbrook - #8 Potomac Falls
#2 Powhatan - #7 Briar Woods
#3 Loudoun Co. - #6 Dominion
#4 Sherando - #5 Heritage

Division 3 – Girls
#1 Liberty - #8 Brentsville
#2 Woodgrove - #7 W. Albemarle
#3 Monticello - #6 Handley
#4 Warren Co. - #5 Tuscarora

Bottom line is that Jeremy is predicting that as many as 14 (!) of the 18 Dulles District teams make Regionals this year ... now I open the floor for any old-timers to talk about basketball teams from 20 years ago that won  20 games but didn't make the playoffs because you had to win your district to advance back then!

Times have changed ... now where is my after-article snack I was promised ... that is the only reason I wrote this dang thing!

11 comments:

  1. Dan/Jeremy, this is the most coherent explanation to what many have thought is a dart-board approach to seeding the regional playoffs. Any odds out on who will be heading to States?

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  2. How does the district tournament effect final seeding?

    Woodgrove won last night, do they still end up in the #5 seed from large district which puts them in #8 seed for region? Or do they move up a seed to #4 from district which slots them #5 for region??

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  3. Good question Anonymous (how can so many people be named Anonymous!) -- as I understand it -- Regular season champion is #1 no matter what (so Valley for boys, Woodgrove for girls -- which is why they held the 1-game playoff on the girls side but both WG and LC are considered co-champions and will raise banners). Then #2, #3 and #4 seed are via the tournament so BW, PFalls and WG on boys side and LC, Tusky, Heritage on girls side are playing for those important seedings ... That is why on Thursday there will be a consolation final to determine the 3 and 4 between the teams that fall Wed. (unless the #1 seed falls then no consolation final) ... #5 thru #9 would be determined based upon standings so LC gets #5 on boys followed by #6 Heritage, #7 Park View, #8 Tuscarora and #9 Dominion. On girls side, #5 Dominion, #6 Briar Woods, #7 Potomac Falls, #8 Park View, #9 Valley

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  4. Another Anonymous question! Love it ... OK ... As for States ... Keep in mind 2 teams advance from each bracket so a team only need to win twice and they are in! It depends on injuries, whom is playing well and also just plain luck on seeding ... a #6 or #7 seed in girls D4 is better than say a #4 seed because the #4, #5 and #8 will be on the same side of the bracket as #1 Millbrook -- a team rumored so good it could hang with some WNBA teams. The latest AP girls poll for AA has Woodgrove ranked No. 5, Millbrook No. 1, Liberty No. 4, Sherando No. 10 ... The latest AP boys poll for AA has Fluvanna No. 2, Loudoun Valley No. 4, Handley No. 10 and Potomac Falls No. 10 ... interesting that Briar Woods boys and Loudoun County girls get no love in these polls but then again, nobody asks VivaLoudoun's Fox to vote ...

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  5. Girls D4: isn't Lousia a 5 Medium? That puts them above a 6 Large (Briar Woods), and a 7 Large (Pot Falls)

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  6. Hi Anonymous (another one!) ... our understanding is that with the Jefferson District down to six teams all of them are classified as Small District this year (as initial definition sent out a year ago was 6 or less is small, 7 to 8 is medium and 9 or more is large) ... So when reading the seeding criteria, just skip all medium district placings ... which gives Dulles the leg up ...
    dan

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  7. "For starters, like football ... basketball awards separate regional and state championships based upon division (3 and 4) for AA. Same for A but not for AAA (please do not ask about the logic of AAA not doing it too ...)." From the outside looking in, I question the logic of AA and A doing it, as opposed to AAA not doing it. This is different than all other sports. Why the need for so many "State Champs" in BB and FB? Just trying to get a better understanding.

    Thanks

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  8. Hello Anonymous (it is contagious!) ... get ready for many state title approach as starting in 2013-14 the VHSL is on track to approve a plan that will award state titles in D1 thru D6 for all sports like it is currently done for football ... Regions may also go away and state playoffs will be based upon geographic sectionals such as other states do ... all of this is currently in planning and approval mode and will be finalized by May ...

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  9. So in the end, who gets bragging rights? Do we put it up for a vote? Just kidding, but it does raise the question as to what being a State Champ really means.

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  10. where can you find the AP rankings?

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  11. You have to go to newspaper online sites that carry AP stories in-state ... I found the latest at the Bluefield Daily Telegraph site of all places! www.bdtonline.com ... they run the polls under Local Sports ...

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